and john to do electoral math, not to put you on the spot, if romney does lose ohio and florida and virginia, is there still a path with the remaining six? >> no, i don't believe there is a path. i don't think mathematically it works. i did a calculation yesterday, carl, i took all the states in which mitt romney was either leading or within four points of president obama, not ahead in those other states but just down by less than four points, still barack obama had 278 electoral votes, mitt romney had 260. he's got to turn that around, the debates are his next opportunity and a big way to do that. >> october 3rd, john, talk to you later. >>> speaking of politics our next guest says romney's view on taxes, entitlements and personal responsibility are wrong and show romney isn't ready for the oval office. dr. robert shapiro, former undersecretary of commerce for economic affairs, joins us from washington. doctor, good to have you. good morning. >> it's a pleasure to be here, carl. >> this tape has been talked about inside and out and we're not going to do that again, but you do go to some len